Brian Ruhe’s reply to Van. Pannobhasa April 8, 2019.
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Hi Venerable Pannobhasa,
My Vril or chi energy is good while writing to you. Thanks!
Your Buddhist friend has a lot in common with me. I would like to be in contact with him too.
As a postscript or Appendix I include an email I got from an American Buddhist friend who knows much more about the original Thule Society, post-WW2 National Socialism, and the deification of Adolf Hitler (à la Miguel Serrano, Savitri Devi, et al.) than I do. I’ve already set him straight on your qualifications as a teacher of Theravada.
Metta
Paññobhāsa
APPENDIX (very slightly redacted)
Hail, O PB!
…Yeah, I am not surprised that the Thuleans would be interested in you due to your slightly right of center politics…at least that is how your politics strike me, but then I consider myself a Classical Liberal. Of course we are basically both Nazis so far as the MSM and the SJWs are concerned, and the Thuleans are probably using the same criteria as they do to judge you.
Yes.
The level of scholarship that these people usually display make it very likely that they have a somewhat hazy idea about the difference between Buddhism, Hinduism, and Savitri Devi’s worship of AH as a Hindu Avatar.
Yes, that’s true.
I am indeed fascinated with Serrano, and with Savitri Devi, both of whom regarded AH as an avatar of Vishnu. Although I am fascinated by these people and love to explore the depths of their ideas, well, let us just say that I am diving, while the Thuleans are sinking.
Yes, me too. My favourite is Serrano, then Savitri Devi but I’m a Theravada Buddhist. Neither of them were so I have to draw that line in the sand with anyone, and everyone, anywhere. I take refuge in the Buddha, dhamma and sangha, not Adolf Hitler. The Thule Society was created out of compassion to help non-Buddhists.
Maria Osric is a mythological character associated with what was called “The All German Society for Metaphysics” (aka the “Vril Society”) but which as far as I know never had any concrete, physical existence on this worldly plane.
The Thule Society DID exist, and was connected with the Occult Templarism that was popular at that time (and which eventually led to the OTO, which our old pal Aleister Crowley was heavily involved with) but like a lot of other small Occultist groups it was disbanded by the NatSoc government, very people it supposed brought to power and secretly controlled.
I believe that Maria Orsic was a real person. I have never heard that she is a mythological character and her biography is on the net.
Baron Sebbottendorf, founder of the Thule Society, later wrote a book called Before Hitler Came claiming that NatSoc in general and Hitler in particular had been influenced heavily by him and by the Thule-Gesellschaft.
This did not go over well with the authorities, and he left Germany soon after the book was published. Sebbotendorf was one of numerous Occultists who then (as now) criss-cross the world and constantly lay claims to being greater and more influential than they actually were.
The Thule-Gesellschaft was peripherally involved with founding the DAP, which later became the NSDAP. There were of course several Occultists who stood high in the ranks of the NSDAP, notably Hess and Himmler, but I do not think that there was any organised occultism as such behind the party.
I agree with that, yes.
Serrano himself was more of a Gnostic, with the Jews being children of the evil Demiurge (NOT a new idea amongst Gnostics at all, at all!) but also incorporated Hindu and Western Esoteric concepts into his somewhat eclectic system. He sometimes refers to AH as Kalki, and references the Kali Yuga a lot in his writings….
Serrano was friends with Jung as well as with Ezra Pound. Interestingly, George Lincoln Rockwell’s National Socialist White Peoples’ party became a contemplative religious organisation dedicated to Esoteric Hitlerism after Rockwell was assassinated….
Yes, I agree with this too.
In any event, I think you are wise to hesitate before becoming high priest of an Esoteric Hitlerist cult! But they do sound fascinating! I will check out their site, and look forward to your interview.
Thanks for he heads up!
Peace, and
Hail Victory! 😉
Very good. It was my priority today to complete my reply to you, Venerable Pannobhasa. Thanks for contemplating upon our correspondence and I await your response. Take your time if you need days to attend to other things.
Ajahn Punnadhammo at arfh@xplornet.com at the Arrowhead Hermitage in Ontario corresponds with me and he allowed me to post his email to me on my blog and it is there.
Next, Venerable Varapanyo at drzewolaz@gmail.com is a European monk in Sri Lanka with eight rains, I think. We’ve corresponded and he recently wrote: Suttas do not suggest that Nagas have a great influence on human world. We can trust Lord Buddha that there are Nagas, as for David Icke … Well
Hi
There is reality of the race, and to deny it is to be deluded. Also so called white gilt, from the point of Dhamma is nonsense. I can feel remorse only for my own action. So there is contradiction, white people should recognize reality of the race, in order to feel guilty, but to feel superiority for undeniable achievements of Western Civilization – this they cannot.
So perhaps you are doing the good job, but as to me I prefer meditation 🙂
metta
Much metta,
Brian
Ven. Pannobhasa’s reply:
April 9, 2019
Hail Brian
OK, well, I’ve read your responses to my response, so I have some responses to your responses. Again I’ll try to do it systematically, under Headings.
THE HOLOCAUST
This is kind of a weird topic, along with the concept of the Holohoax. How many Jews had to be killed for the deaths to qualify as a Holocaust? A full six million? One million? A hundred thousand? Or would it depend on a certain minimum percentage of European Jews being executed? I have no idea. It may very well be, as far as I know, that the figure of six million is greatly exaggerated; but I have no way of knowing how many died, and I’m pretty sure that lots of Jews were actually killed by the Germans and their allies during the 1930s and the first half of the 40s. A hell of a lot of people died, including Jews and a much larger number of Slavs. (Speaking of whom, it’s strange that most people in the west have no idea of the Holodomor, in which the Stalinist USSR allegedly starved more than a million Ukrainians to death. I have read that the guy Stalin put in charge of the project was Jewish. In fact a disproportionately large percentage of Marxists working for the USSR were Jews. People tend to think that Gentile/Jewish atrocities and massacres have been only one way, against the Jews, but that of course is not so.) At any rate, I am of the opinion that lots of Jews were actually killed by the Germans under Hitler, but the exact number of course is questionable.
THE RELIABILITY OF ANCIENT INDIAN BUDDHIST COSMOLOGY
You took issue to my referring to shape-shifting nāgas, etc. as “mythology,” although it’s simply a fact that new religious systems tend to base their cosmology on the popular beliefs of the people. The ancient Indian Buddhist cosmology is an adaptation of what people believed in northern India during the Iron Age, with some specifically Buddhist modifications. Seriously, if you think that the cosmology described in the Suttas is infallibly true, then you must believe that the earth is flat and floats on water, with a ten million mile high mountain in the center, and with the sun and moon revolving around the central mountain. Also you’d be constrained to accept the idea that eclipses of the sun and moon are caused by an Asura/Titan named Rāhu swallowing them into his mouth.
When the Greek Ptolemaic geography reached India in the early middle ages via trade routes, the Indians (the Hindu astronomers at least) modified their cosmology to accommodate a spherical earth, so that the world became like an orange impaled on a huge conical mountain, the peak protruding from the north pole. Talking animals with human intelligence, fire-breathing cobra dragons, the material universe first manifesting as Brahma’a throne, etc., not to mention the Rāhu theory of eclipses, are just not credible to me. Any more than the story of Genesis with Jehovah God (or the Christ/Logos) creating the world out of nothing in six days, which is believed by Christians to this day, some of whom have been arguing with me over it because of my recent blog post on evolution. I assume the scientific explanation also isn’t ultimately true, but at least it is compatible with the empirical evidence.
This all reminds me of a quote from an old book describing one of the early embassies of the British Empire sent to the court of the Burmese King in Ava in the mid 19th century:
“Major Phayre endeavored to explain the solar system; but as the Burmese theory is that of a central mountain called Myen-Mo [Meru], several millions of miles high, around which are firmly fixed four great islands, on the southern of which Asia and Europe are situated, the sun which lights them revolving round the central mountain, the Envoy of course did not succeed in convincing the Minister of the truth of our view of the case….The [Minister] somewhat indignantly said, ‘It (Myen-Mo) is spoken of in our sacred books, and its height is given, and the inhabitants of each region are known exactly.’”
The modern world has its own mythology. Now instead of elves it’s space aliens, although they do look similar.
I may as well throw in the high probability that wiseguy early Buddhists modified the whole idea of Brahma realms essentially for propaganda purposes. They took Maha-Brahma, literally the Brahministic personification of Ultimate Reality, and turned him into a rather bumbling fanboy of the Buddha, putting lots of higher Brahma realms above him, some of which are accessible only to Buddhists. They played a similar trick on Indra, warlike King of Gods and patron deity of the Indo-Aryans, by converting him also into a devout Buddhist. The early Buddhist systematologists were very human, and prone to the same foibles as the systematologists of just about any religion. It’s very likely, besides, that most of the words attributed to the Buddha in the Pali texts (let alone the Mahayana texts) are not authentic. If you’re interested in my reasons for this assumption, you can find them in the article “What Did the Buddha Really Teach?” on the nippapanca.org website.
This skepticism of mine is not the position I would have preferred, and it wasn’t the one I had going into the Sangha. But one should follow where the evidence leads, even if the direction is an unpleasant one.
ON THE QUESTIONABLE VALUE OF BEING AN EXPERT
This is a strange one, and kind of a black pill, which you remind me of with your list of thousands of hours you’ve spent studying reptilians and so on. Being an expert clearly has value; for example a trained heart surgeon will be much better at heart surgery than anyone else; but still some people study and study and still can be completely mistaken. Consider all the political experts out there. There are thousands of academics who are very intelligent people, who study and teach and write authoritative books, who still think, for example, that Marxism is still somehow a good idea. (What amount of failed economies, totalitarian regimes, and genocidal atrocities would be required for them to realize that it is really NOT a good idea I don’t know. I assume dedicating so much time to something causes one to be very reluctant to start being skeptical on the subject.) Intelligent experts study the same subject and come up with exactly opposite ideas. So a person may dedicate thousands of hours to studying evidence of biblical Creationism, for instance, but that doesn’t make it true—especially if one considers all the people studying the same body of evidence and coming up with radically different conclusions.
ON THE VALUE OF PRAYER
One point I forgot to mention the last time is your Society’s emphasis on praying to Brahmas for help to overcome the malevolent devas in league with the Jews. Theravada Buddhism officially does not recommend prayer, much less ritual fire sacrifice; although I suppose the mental states are what would determine its value if it were done. If one were to perform a ritual sacrifice, say, more or less in the Hindu fashion of pouring libations of aromatic butter oil onto a fire while chanting some appropriate scripture (let’s say), then if one did it mindfully, and with sincere intentions of making offerings to those worthy of praise, then the agent’s own skillful kamma would help him, not necessarily a deity somehow flattered or obliged by the ceremony.
BEING SPIRITUAL ADVISOR TO THE THULE SOCIETY
As I mentioned before, the whole worshipping Hitler thing, plus the emphasis on combating reptilians in league with globalist Jews, causes me to be pretty reluctant to assume any official title or role in the organization. I’m not much of a team player anyway. Although, as I said last time, I could be an ally of sorts with regard to the Dhamma aspect, and occasionally offer advice, and do some sort of video interview if I can get a damned Skype account working. We are in agreement on multiple points, especially in our disdain for ultraliberal politically correct western Buddhism. Good luck (=Good kamma) with your efforts with that.
Metta
Pannobhasa
P.S. I’ll forward your email suggesting an intro to my Serrano-liking friend, to him (the friend, not Serrano).
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